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much brighter than if you knew no bounds from phones to pressure. news for instance on t.v. don't comb. welcome back here whether it's here is a reminder of the top stories of the week film fury of muslims across the globe and their anger with protest and violence for six day following the release of a movie made in the u.s. that mocks as long. washington slams a film in a damage control mission while condemnation is also voiced worldwide with russia calling on governments to regard people's religious feelings. and tens of thousands protest against austerity measures in spain and portugal as the debt crisis prompts renewed calls for separatism in catalonia. maddow was held captive
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by the taliban for forty five days shares his personal view on the true reason for the u.s. military operation in afghanistan. eleven years ago america began its war on terror and today in afghanistan a u.s. war continues to be waged by current guest has a very unique perspective on what has happened and continues to take place there joining me now to talk more about this topic is journalist and author jerry van dyke mr van dyke wrote a book called captive my time as a prisoner of the taliban thank you for joining our team thank you mr van dyke as i mentioned the war on terror began some a levy an eater's ago and u.s. troops according to president barack obama are expected to fully withdraw by the
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end of twenty fourteen is that a sign of victory or defeat in this so-called war on terror i don't think it's a sign of either one i think it's a sign that the u.s. public is tired of this we initially went in for one specific reason and that was to dismantle the government of the taliban and to destroy al qaeda now people ask why are we still there how many are there under president bush in the early part of the obama administration we heard the numbers fifty there maybe fifty left in afghanistan are we there because a fifty fifty al qaeda members know it is morphed into something far larger than that is it because the former soviet union the former what we'll call the stands it was because she could stand because if. you could stand to have the largest untapped oil and natural gas reserves in the world if you talk to the afghans you talk the taliban they'll say oh that's why the united states wants to stay here people say it's because we want to surround iran we have bases in the
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gulf we have bases once before in iraq we certainly have them in afghanistan do we want afghanistan and pakistan not to go to war with one another neither the bush administration. no the obama administration has been straight with the american public about that and finally we are responsible long with other nations for creating the very people against whom we are now fighting these were all allies of the united states and its allies during the one nine hundred eighty s. we haven't been straight with the american public why what we have created which evolved in some cases into parts of which evolved into al qaeda and which are we trying to dismantle that can you tell me what the war on terror looks like through the eyes of the taliban. no one's ever asked me that very good question very interesting question when i was a newspaper reporter in afghanistan in the one nine hundred eighty s. new york times when we were tied with some of the members of the taliban today we
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called them the mujahideen which means holy warriors the taliban told me that we are the sons and the grandsons of the mujahideen when i was captured by the taliban and when i was in prison i had to listen for hours and hours and hours to taliban recruitment tapes and suicide recruitment tapes they talked of or they sing their chant of pashtoon history question geography pashtoon poetry this is a nationalist movement in their view they are simply trying to free themselves of foreign infidel invaders exactly like their fathers and grandfathers in order to have what they feel is a proper islamic government the taliban have become somewhat different. and that is it's a result of their ties to al qaeda. which is comprised of foreigners primarily arabs gyptian zx saudis chechens specs those from
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western china and even some from europe so al-qaeda is a different entity entirely it is strictly an interested in international jihad but the taliban have become because of their ties to al-qaeda and because of the twenty four seven news cycle they have become far more international but deep down in their hearts they're interested in one thing and that is an islamic government and a pashtoon islamic government now i don't want to make this too complicated for viewers but for them the pashtoon are afghanistan and they were at war before we came up with what we call the northern alliance the tajiks these are different ethnic groups in the north so this is also an element here there's an ethnic war at play here as much as anything else but deep down more than anything else they want a unified pashtoon land they want an afghanistan that is deeply muslim their
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interest ultimately is certainly not to attack the united states but because of their exposure to the international world now they're far more capable of trying to go across to soviet central asia to expand the perhaps into iran yeah that element is there you were how hostage forty five things by the taliban cracked what was that experience like. frightening. thing. what did you learn that you didn't know about. i thought initially i would be killed immediately but what i learned and what surprised me was that even though i was a prisoner. even though i lived in constant fear. that i was also treated with respect and i was treated as
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a guest. because and this gets to the heart of your question ultimately. tribal law pashtoon tribal law called pashtun wally tribal codes take precedence over islam that deep down they are pashtoon they are members of tribes more than they are muslims and i think that's one reason why i survived. i'm not sure why i survived. and why did they let you go after forty five things i still don't know the answer donovan's i'm trying to find out i get many i hear i get many what did they say to you once they were unlocking the chains from your army said congratulations on escaping death i daresay this i will that about a year ago i got a call from someone a foreigner european and he asked me to go down to an apartment in new york to minn
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there were questions from pakistan here by the by the by the state department on their way back to pakistan getting ready to catch a flight the very first question they asked me was. who kidnapped you. the taliban. or the government. my jailer said to me not a shot would be fired in afghanistan without the backing of the pakistani government so with the taliban in touch with the government did the government of pakistan know i was there did the government of pakistan in to intervene and ultimately save me. did jalali day in the hood county network. that we are at war with. and with which i lived in the one nine hundred eighty s. and his name i use constantly to try and save me and who i was trying to get to because i thought by getting to a kani i could find out about al qaeda. did he ultimately hold on to that tribal
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law and say me i've heard so many different things that's why it's a very murky complicated place in the war is far far different from the way we are perceived in the media speaking of tribes what are u.s. intelligence capabilities among the tribes do you believe that washington has enough knowledge when it comes to the language and cultural experience of the particular reasons in afghanistan that need to be fully understood there was a general flynn i think his name was and this was about two thousand and nine two thousand and ten who was in chief of intelligence under then military general stanley mcchrystal mcchrystal who said and i quote we are flying blind in afghanistan how many pashtun speakers are there when you when you find out in the u.s. intelligence community when you look when you talk to for example interpreters you
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find out that there is a huge underground network of interpreters all of whom have to pay bribes before they can work with with the american soldiers who controls these interpreters well i'm not sure that they're completely free at all but television can easily infiltrate this is my own experience i don't think that u.s. intelligence capabilities are nearly what they're portrayed to be however. when you get to someplace like pakistan i think it's possibly a bit different we have drones overhead we're constantly under president obama we've ratcheted up the number of drone attacks to those drones and i've been under drones how do they know where to attack you have to have the information on the ground what is that information come from what comes from working closely in tandem with pakistani military intelligence that they would choose to attack their attack there why after so many years where we have we not been able to kill the leader of the country network. ormal omar or ghobadi next month they are the three leaders of
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the taliban or why did we have to go in and kill osama bin laden why didn't the pakistani intelligence tell us where these people were maybe they knew or maybe they don't know but i happen to think they absolutely know. but they have we have to have that intelligence on the ground and i think it's far better in pakistan then in afghanistan but it comes because pakistan works closely with these people and they work closely with the united states and who they want to attack they want to allow the united states to attack i say this interview by asking about afghanistan but i want to wrap it up by asking you about something you said that because you recently said that you believe that your lesson and its allies are fighting a proxy war against. own with the media but that is at all without a doubt that that could create an even more dangerous time make clearly and in that area of the world if they still don't know what they're doing in afghanistan can't figure it out rightly right is pakistan our ally or is it our enemy now the taliban
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and you take something like former joint chairman of joint chiefs of staff admiral mike mullen who said that kani network is an arm of the pakistani i.s.i. pakistani military intelligence that we the united states have paid at least twelve billion dollars have given a different forms at least twelve billion dollars to the pakistani military since nine eleven but the pakistani military according to former admiral mike mullen said every everyone else is backing the tell of it so we are supplying money to the very people that are providing this money to the taliban to attack u.s. forces why would pakistan back to tell about what is pakistan's interest in afghanistan no single afghan legislature in the history of afghanistan has accepted the border between afghanistan and pakistan afghanistan was the only nation in the world to vote against pakistan and. admittance to the united nations in one
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thousand nine hundred seventy one single thing the border in one thousand nine hundred three the british when they ruled india created with this called the durand line they do not accept the fact that the land that once belonged to them that the british took away should belong to pakistan and this is deep down at the heart of this particular never ending war in the middle of which the united states and its soldiers continue to die over a war that once started out against al-qaeda which is morphed into something far deeper far more complicated there's an old afghan saying it's got to stand it's very easy to enter but it's very hard to leave we're not leaving by two thousand and fourteen will still be there and we'll leave it right there dr and i thank you very much for your time.
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i'm in sochi the u.s. city in europe and the hosts of the twenty fourth season which are the figures. thank you. so much. thank you. doug this is. the friday is it. it's. the sunday it's so true. lol. lol. lol. lol.
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lol. lol. the first. film fury muslims across the globe and their anger with protests and violence for six days following the release of a movie made in the us from. washington slams the film in a damage control mission while condemnation is also voiced worldwide with russia calling on governments to regard people's religious feelings. and tens of thousands protest against a sturdy measures in spain portugal as the debt crisis. renewed calls for separatism in catalonia. also it's not serious of the week and time now for the latest sports update with paul.
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thank you very much maria welcome along to the sports headlines here's what we've got coming up on truck lokomotiv moscow rise to third in the russian from the late fall and no one will win i've a fellow title hopefuls really. staying alive the bryan brothers when the doubles rub against spain to keep the usa in with a shout of reaching the twenty two al davis cup final. four from for the all blacks stay perfect and this is rugby championship but only after a close four win over south africa. before us following last weekend's a victory over spartak moscow for city rivals welcome ot of most another noticeable scalp in their quest for a first russian premier league crown in a decade the railway mensing off rubin one nil in the capital on saturday a tough task turning into an uphill battle for rubin and christiane sounding
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received his marching orders towards the end of the first half of that challenge a set piece would break the deadlock after the break alexander some adolf's corner kick was so far off of the camera mounted we call the important parts of doing to tell ourselves which winning to the next in the fifty second minute were being woodcrest hard for an equaliser but to no avail one nil the final school. meanwhile spotter travel to cuba and on the back of two defeats in a row looking to pounce back to form and it was the muscovites who took the lead in the early minutes with this precise shot from irishman and. however just ten minutes later the home side levelled matters. wonderfully from distance. on the stroke of half time and had the perfect chance to take the lead but abraham was penalty was well saved by andre de kalb the second period mirrored the first the visitors going ahead for a second time fifty three minutes in france for a powerful effort from emmanuel i mean ek to yuri cross-examines men never gave up
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beliefs executing a superb free kick. to draw the win for spartak and three now not ideal preparation for change days visit to bosler in the champions league. more on sunday to ask our host a line you know your victory will move them out to second in the tell you both andy and crassly dollar for their third consecutive victory looks a little off bottom as they travel to rough stuff. meanwhile over in the english top flight chelsea remain top despite dropping in their first points of the season one three nil nil a queens park rangers manchester united a second after scoring for unanswered second half goals at home to wigan asked miller up the third after thrashing rock bottom southampton six one elsewhere champions manchester city were held one one is stuck the wings were full of an aston villa on knowledge and west ham finished go west wall in the week of the hillsborough revelations liverpool two one one at sunderland. very
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difficult work of course as you can imagine though they should. never think sharon or the players but you know a bit of all the. relatives so she's been a real emotional week because when you shameful liverpool was part of the country you know you as a player and manager. you showing your agreement. we agree with. the emotional national airport journey. while on sunday there was one more fixture at tottenham and reading go head to head at the main stadium with bite side still looking for their first premier league win of the season. in the german bundesliga bursar dorman's fans once again turned out in numbers and were even joined by chance chancellor angela merkel as the reigning champions hosted by leverkusen. had her twenty eight minutes in the uk a blast playoff skater and scored a second before half time but nothing else being dropped of the win in the second
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half as the host screeched to a halt for the win. while the champions main rivals in last year's runners up by try to maintain a perfect start to the campaign clash with mike smiley a man who kitchen bastian schweinsteiger gave the hives a comfortable after just thirty minutes last year's champions league finest one likely to let that lead slip and that proved to be the case by one three one to grab maximum points from three games. now in boxing martinez has reclaimed the w.b.c. middleweight title after beating mexican julio cesar chavez jr by a unanimous decision in las vegas the argentine are stripped of the title two years ago i was the failing to take on a mandatory challenger job as junior proceeded to take the vacant belt martinez dominated saturday night's clash the eleven rounder was heading for
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a comfortable points decision however a late flurry from shiloh's junior almost secured a knockouts martinez hit the canvas twice in the final round but managed to get to his feet on both occasions when the bell sounded there was only one winner martinez thus adding the w.b.c. crown to the ring title he also holds. now in tennis the usa have kept that david. cup semifinal with spain alife following a victory in the double trouble on saturday trying to love after the opening day mike and bob bryan the top ranked doubles team in the world knew they needed a winner to give the usa any chance of reaching november's final and they started brightly in front of a near sellout fifteen thousand capacity crowd taking the first set six three. space marcel goodall as a paid to pick up an injury and helping play in the second set but he decided to continue playing from that point onwards the bryan brothers didn't look back saying out a six three three six seven five seven five win to have spain's laid away in four
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over john is now in the reverse singles later on sunday and see the defending champions reach their full final in five years. he will argentina have it all to do if they're to reach their second successive davis cup final not only do they trail two one heading into the final day of their semifinal with the czech republic but the answer to me to move out in time is money for martin del potro son major virus rubbers he's been ruled out with a wrist injury the czech republic seize the initiative on saturday when winning the doubles in straight sets terms but it's ironic stepanek defeated wallish one o'clock six three six four six three objects now one win away from reaching the second final in four years. meanwhile a russia happy eliminated from the world group after losing to brazil the hosts have taken an unassailable three lovely it's the first time in history that russia has stepped out of the elite group brazil meanwhile return to the top table for the
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first time since two thousand and three russia will compete in europe africa group one next season. not a cricket where the twenty twenty world cup gets underway this week in sri lanka and the defending champions in the shortest format of the gang having recently lost top spot in the test run came to south africa england captain still broader became for his side to reassert their dominance of nine hundred twenty. africa also happened to be the top ranked t twenty side in the world but are still looking for their first major i.c.c. tournament victory and their captain a.b. de villiers admits in the past pressure may have got to his side. i'm going to be very honest with you i'm going to put out this straight up front we have church in the past and we know about that if you if that's the riches of people it's a simple as that we've had some really bad very bad experiences in the past but a logical source of us past we come in with a whole new look in the team we've worked really hard with all new management team which is giving us a lot of energy and
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a lot of new ideas so we will approach as tournament differently we would like to win the pressure situations we are going to do exactly that and like i said we prepared and really excited to get on to that field. meanwhile it was a busy night for sri lanka's kumar sangakkara car at the annual i.c.c. awards ceremony he won three awards including the people's choice voted for by the public the sri lanka batsman who lost nearly fifteen hundred runs in fourteen tests in the last twelve months was also made to test a cricketer of the year and won the overall price as i.c.c. cricketer of two thousand and twelve. writes it's an amazing on a i've seen the people who've gone before and i've seen the nominees. and the year these guys have had just sat and watched admired all the all the guys out there and philander faced him twice he got out twice i reckon in syria and so it's great to be among women it's a huge honor to win it now new zealand have maintained their perfect record after
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four matches at the rugby championship the all blacks needing to survive a tough home test against a resilient south african side. traditional how same describe the world champions want to draw new zealand's israel dagg moving around the springboks the fans. the all blacks still only held a slim five freely to halftime explosive brawn have been i would give south africa the advantage after the break two thousand and seven world player of the year and making it five for the visit as with that's efforts in place and scrum half hour in smith thought he would answer right back for the hard side as the blacks took advantage of doing great in the sending off to play last an hour twenty one eleven when. the reigning champions australia just about managed to edge past one of the new boys argentina visiting puma's taking a six three needed to half time after one of these trials disallowed. would also
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come out with a rural for the break with tom's only an oddity on who we are for. scoring a stunning two tries in as many minutes appearance led nineteen six with twenty three minutes to go but drive by pat mccabe and digby ioane prevented a huge upset helping the east second consecutive victory twenty three nineteen the final score on the gold coast. matters or from the world of sport and i'll be back with plenty more in just under two hours time here and i'll say join me then. you know how sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then you glimpse something
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else you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm tom harpur welcome to the big picture of. the world. series technology innovation called the list of bellamy from around russia we've gone to the future covered.
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